Tricon Cap Accumulation Inc. (OTC:TCNGF) Q1 2018 Antithesis Appointment Alarm May 10, 2018 10:00 AM ET
Wojtek Nowak - Director of Accumulated Accounts & Broker Relations
Wissam Francis - Executive Vice President and Chief Banking Officer
Gary Berman - President and Chief Executive Officer
Jonathan Ellenzweig - Managing Director
Andy Carmody - Managing Director
Andrew Joyner - Director
Dean Wilkinson - CIBC World Markets
Jonathan Kelcher - TD Securities
Geoffrey Kwan - RBC Basic Markets
Himanshu Gupta - GMP Securities L.P.
Furaz Ahmad - BMO Basic Markets
Tal Woolley - National Bank Financial
Mario Saric - Scotia Capital
Good morning. My name is Jamie. And I will be your appointment abettor today. At this time, I would like to acceptable anybody to the Tricon Basic Q1 Analyst Call. All curve accept been placed on aphasiac to advanced any accomplishments noise. Afterwards the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Acknowledge you.
Wojtek Nowak, Director of Accumulated Accounts & Broker Relations, you may activate your conference.
Thank you, Jamie. Acceptable morning, everyone, and acknowledge you for abutting us to altercate Tricon's after-effects for the three months concluded March 31, 2018, which were accumulated in the anniversary absolution we broadcast yesterday.
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With that, I will about-face the alarm over to Wissam Francis, CFO of Tricon Basic Group.
Thank you, Wojtek, and acceptable morning, everyone. Our able animadversion this morning will accommodate highlights of our anniversary after-effects and a altercation of our assorted advance verticals.
Starting on Ancillary 5 of our presentation, Tricon continues to bear able advance in the aboriginal division of 2018, with assets beneath administration accretion by 57% year-over-year to $4.8 billion.
During the quarter, assets beneath administration added by $135 million, mainly apprenticed by $149 actor access in Tricon American Homes, consisting of new investments and fair aggregate assets accompanying to able home aggregate acknowledgment in the portfolio.
On Advance 6, you could see that on an IFRS basis, we appear adulterated antithesis per allotment of $0.46 this quarter, compared to $0.07 in the aforementioned division aftermost year, absorption net assets of $99 actor compared to $8 actor aftermost year. The bigger disciplinarian was Tricon American Homes' advance income, which added by $74 actor from the above-mentioned year as a aftereffect of the Silver Bay accretion and able fair aggregate gains.
The access was partly anniversary by a $5 actor of added absorption expense, apprenticed by a college acclaim adeptness antithesis and new debentures issued. As able-bodied as a $10 actor of added deferred assets tax accompanying to the college TH advance income.
This quarter's aftereffect additionally includes a accretion of $29 actor accompanying to a change in the fair aggregate of the derivatives anchored in our convertible to debentures, as adjoin to a $4 actor accident on the acquired in the above-mentioned year. Let me admonish you that this cardinal is apprenticed by changes in our allotment price, and so the accretion is the aftereffect of our allotment aggregate abbreviating during the quarter.
To accommodate a added normalized appearance of a achievement we present the arch to adapted assets metrics on Advance 7, which removes the change in the fair aggregate of the derivatives as able-bodied as added non-recurring and non-cash items. On an adapted basis, we appear adulterated antithesis per allotment of $0.49, apery 277% access compared to $0.13 appear aftermost year.
Diving added into these metrics on Advance 8, you can see that our adapted EBITDA added decidedly year over year to $115 million, apery our arch division yet. The basic disciplinarian was Tricon American Homes' adapted EBITDA of $107 million, which included two basic components. The aboriginal was net operating assets of $36 million, which added by 117% year over year, as the aftereffect of added than acceleration our portfolio admeasurement aback aftermost year, forth with able appoint advance and aggregate containment. For the quarter, TH appear advantageous NOI allowance of 62.8%.
The added basic was a fair aggregate accretion of $76 million, apprenticed by home aggregate acknowledgment of 1.5% for the division or 6% annualized, as able-bodied as new BPOs completed for our contempo securitization transaction that bankrupt in aboriginal April. About 60% percent of the fair aggregate accretion this division came from BPOs.
In our added business verticals, Tricon Affairs Rentals appear absolute year-over-year assets accompanying to added acreage ethics and development milestones accomplished throughout the year on its purpose-built rental developments. In addition, Tricon Affairs Communities acquaint college advance assets as a aftereffect of fair aggregate gains, which are apprenticed by added rents and occupancy, which we accept been able to accomplish afterward the aggregate acceptable basic aggregate programs at several bogus apartment communities.
These assets were partially anniversary by lower adapted from Tricon Apartment Partners, as we abide to assignment through aggregate and timeline pressures on homebuilding projects as mentioned aftermost quarter, which Gary will alive aloft later.
Moving bottomward to our assets anniversary advantage aggregate was college this quarter, mainly due to an access in the abiding allurement accretion accompanying to basal action performance. Lastly, absorption aggregate added this year as the aftereffect of the incremental debt acclimated to accounts the accretion of Silver Bay. And our assets tax aggregate was college as the aftereffect of added pretax earnings. Taken together, our adapted net assets this division came to $76 million, which is about 5 times what we appear in Q1 aftermost year.
To blanket up our banking overview, I'd like to altercate our advantage and clamminess position, starting with our refinancing initiatives at TAH on Advance 9.
Following the Silver Bay transaction aftermost May, a ample allocation of TAH's debt was in the anatomy of concise amphibian aggregate barn facility. And our antecedence was to put in abode a alternation of debt instruments to extend the appellation structure, abate TAH's aggregate of debt, acquaint new sources of financing, and access a admeasurement of anchored aggregate debt while aspersing absorption aggregate risk.
Subsequent to the quarter, TH completed a $314 actor anchored aggregate securitization with a 7-year appellation and 3.86% boilerplate absorption rate. With this transaction in place, we accept about refinanced the $1.2 billion Silver Bay accretion adeptness able-bodied avant-garde of our antecedent target.
In aggregate, we accept anchored the absorption aggregate on about 80% of TH's debt, compared to 18% at the time of acquisition, and laddered out and connected the boilerplate adeptness to 4.9 years from 2.5 years previously. TH's attenuated aggregate of debt now sits at about 3.7%. And at today's absorption rate, we are acumen absorption aggregate bulk accumulation of about 90 abject credibility or $18 actor annually beneath the accepted debt anatomy adjoin the aboriginal anatomy at acquisition.
Looking added broadly at our accumulated antithesis breadth on Advance 10, our goals of refinancing our debt and deleveraging charcoal on track. Phase 1 was to annihilate absorption aggregate accident and refinancing risk, and to that end, we accept refinanced all of our concise debt to longer-term maturities and anchored 80% of TH's debt, appropriately aspersing absorption aggregate exposure.
Phase 2 involves abbreviation our all-embracing debt levels, which is avant-garde as planned. We accept awash TH's noncore homes avant-garde of agenda and we are in the action of affairs TLC on schedule. Afterward that, we will focus on monetizing TLR U.S., while at the aforementioned time we're assured about $120 actor of banknote from THP1 US over the abutting two years.
I can confidently say that we are alive on our plan and on time to accomplish our abiding ambition of 50% to 55% advantage on a attending through abject beyond our businesses. In acceding of clamminess position, we currently accept $130 actor attainable beneath our revolving acclaim adeptness and apprehend this aggregate to advance materially in the advancing abode to accommodate us with added adaptability for growth.
With that, I'll about-face the alarm over to Gary to accommodate added insights into our achievement of our business verticals.
Thank you, Wissam. The aboriginal division of 2018 was a alive time for our aggregation with abundant cardinal and operational achievements to highlight. To start, let's zoom in on the after-effects of Tricon American Homes. It's been actually one year aback we completed the Silver Bay accretion which bankrupt on May 9, 2017. Advance 12 provides you with a arbitrary of TH's results, but additionally highlights how far we've appear in one year and how we delivered on what we promised.
First, we originally aimed to access Silver Bay's NOI allowance by 200 abject credibility to accompany it in band with TH's allowance from 58% to 60%. In Q1, the TH circumscribed portfolio appear an NOI allowance of 62.8%, acutely afore our goal. This quarter's allowance was apprenticed by able appoint advance of 5% on a attenuated basis, comprised of 6.3% of new move ins and 4.3% on renewals, while advancement counterbalanced ascendancy of 96.9%.
Operating costs were additionally able-bodied contained, decidedly R&M and about-face expenses, which decreased by 100 abject credibility year over year as a percent of revenue. This aftereffect was partly apprenticed by TH's able about-face aggregate of 24.9%, as able-bodied as internalization of aliment and maintenance.
Although one division does not accomplish a year and Q1 about sees low turnover, we're currently trending at an NOI allowance that is able-bodied aloft our above-mentioned apprehension of 60%. Second, we plan on abbreviation accumulated G&A aggregate by eliminating Silver Bay's accessible aggregation aggregate and added alike accumulated expenses. TH's about realizes these synergies demography a accumulated aerial of over $30 actor at the time of the accretion bottomward to our accepted run aggregate of about $20 actor annually.
And lastly, as Wissam mentioned earlier, TAH disposed of its non-core homes and refinance instead of avant-garde of schedule. With these initiatives in place, TAH's currently carrying annualized NOI of $142 million, and Bulk FFO of over $50 million.
We advanced the best way to highlight TAH's operating achievement year-over-year through the aforementioned home portfolio presented on Advance 13. Let me airing you through some of the highlights. Aforementioned home NOI in the aboriginal division was about $16 million, apery 5.9% advance year-over-year. This was apprenticed by acquirement advance of 3.9% accompanying with aggregate advance of beneath than 1% consistent in 120 abject credibility of NOI allowance expansion.
On the acquirement side, the aforementioned home portfolio appear attenuated boilerplate appoint advance of 4.4% in the period, hardly beneath the 5% from our absolute portfolio as a aftereffect of the altered geographic mix of homes. On the aggregate side, adjustment and aliment aggregate bigger to 9.7% of revenues in Q1 compared to 11% of revenues in the above-mentioned period. This is abundantly a aftereffect of our internalization of this function, which is alive aggregate savings.
The abridgement in R&M aggregate is partially anniversary by year-over-year increases in acreage taxes, which is additionally the absolute aftereffect of able home aggregate acknowledgment construe into college set [ph] home ethics beyond our markets.
Lastly, our aggregate of allowance has beneath year-over-year, as we've accomplished appraisement allowances from owning a beyond portfolio homes. With metrics like these, it is no abruptness with single-family rental charcoal one of the best acute investments in the broader absolute acreage landscape.
The breadth aforementioned home NOI advance is accepted to advance the backpack for the accountable future. For example, bazaar analysis from Green Street is currently forecasting aforementioned home NOI advance of 4.7% for single-family rental breadth through 2020, as compared to 2.5% for apartments and non-residential absolute acreage sectors in the U.S., which is not antithetical from the accord view.
The bigger disciplinarian for SFRs beat this appoint growth, aback all-embracing curtailment of single-family homes as resulted in a cogent accumulation appeal imbalance. This has accustomed us to advance the counterbalanced ascendancy aggregate aloft 90% - 95%, while always growing rents by 4% to 5% per year.
The added aspect of our advance apriorism that continues to comedy it agreeably is home aggregate appreciation, which is a ample contributor to our appear earnings. As apparent on Advance 14, aback accepting into the business in 2012, we've invested about $2.2 billion in accepting homes and accession $220 actor advance CapEx. The fair aggregate of these homes is now afterpiece to $2.9 billion apery accumulative home aggregate acknowledgment of over $450 actor or about 19% of the absolute aggregate basis, which makes for a absolute acute acknowledgment on advance on a levered basis.
Of note, the homes we purchased in 2012 accept accepted by 76% from a aggregate basis. If you attending at the anniversary Case Shiller abstracts presented on the slide, you can see that home aggregate acknowledgment beyond the U.S. has actually accelerated aback 2015, and we apprehend it to abide to comedy a allusive role in advance allotment from TAH.
We additionally abide absolute aflame about the advance affairs for single-family rental, as we resumed our accretion affairs of affairs 400 to 500 homes per quarter. On Advance 15, we accept some examples of afresh acquired homes. TAH continues to focus on 10 advance markets, breadth homes can be acquired adorable attenuated cap ante of about 6%, and breadth we see opportunities to drive operating efficiencies through added scale.
We bought 396 homes in Q1 2018 beyond these markets apprehend to beat this metric in Q2. In adjustment to advice with the accretion process, we've developed TriAd, a proprietary software apparatus which automatically scrapes the MLS every 15 minutes, and filters listings based on specific accretion criteria, afterwards which our aggregation underwrites all the homes that hit our Buy Box.
As you can see on Advance 16, this division there are over 100,000 new MLS listings in our alive markets. Of which 4,700 fit our accretion belief or Buy Box. Of this, we fabricated 1,500 offers and purchased 396 homes. We apprehend to abide to abound in TAH, which now accounts for 81% of our arch investments and as a key aspect of our action to access our aggregate of abiding alternating banknote flows.
We generally get asked the catechism of how airy is TAH's business archetypal in a ascent aggregate or inflationary environment, and in acknowledgment we accomplish the afterward three points: first, single-family rental as one of the beeline charter durations of any absolute acreage asset class, acceptance us to abduction inflationary pressures in our rents absolute quickly. Second, aggrandizement should anniversary home aggregate appreciation, abnormally in the ambience of a apartment bazaar with absolute bound accumulation of both absolute and new homes as such the aggregate of our home should go up.
And finally, TAH debt is now at 80% anchored and termed out, lending acknowledgment to ascent rates. In short, we accept that forth with our acreage holdings, TAH is actually the best way to comedy absolute acreage in a ascent aggregate environment.
Let's now about-face to Tricon Apartment Ally or THP, our acreage and homebuilding business on Advance 17. In the quarter, THP generated advance assets of $2.9 actor advice to a 4.7% annualized net acknowledgment on invested capital, which is beneath our apprehension of a 9% to 11% anniversary return. I would like to admonish anybody that our advance assets beneath IFRS is a action of accomplished banknote breeze as able-bodied as fair aggregate change is apprenticed by discounted banknote flows or appraisal.
This quarters' after-effects accept been impacted by contempo anniversary amend that booty into anniversary accumulation constraints apparent beyond the homebuilding industry, including connected charge schedules and action constraints, which we discussed aftermost quarter. Based on our accounting methodology, if there is a advance out a abridgement of accepted approaching banknote breeze is about to underwriting, the fair aggregate of the action is adapted bottomward and this change shows up in advance income.
As we assignment through these anniversary revisions, we abide to apprehend some near-term burden on THP's result. But ultimately apprehend to backslide aback to our ambition of 9% to 11% acknowledgment on invested basic over time. We anticipation it would be accessible to put into angle the industry avant-garde accumulation constraints.
As you can see on the architectonics acuteness blueprint presented on Advance 18, the homebuilding industry is carrying far beneath homes than it has historically about to the admeasurement of the population. Alike admitting the curtailment of apartment is consistent in college home prices, you can see from the bar blueprint on the advance at these appraisement assets are abundantly actuality cannibalized by ascent architectonics costs and in accurate our aggregate of labor.
With that said, advance assets does not actually allege to the appeal for apartment product, both in our THP business and beyond the industry. Let me accord you one of the abstracts point from our Johnson business, which is one of the bigger adept planned developers in the U.S.
As you can see on Advance 19, homebuilders at Johnson communities had 1,031 home sales in Q1 beyond all projects, apery a year-over-year access of 7%. This is a acceptable indicator of approaching lot sales, and it's abundantly adumbrative drive beyond the broader U.S. apartment market, which we would characterize as actuality absolute advantageous from a appeal perspective.
We accept appeal for new homes is accelerating as the millennial cohort, which makes them about 40% of the citizenry forms new households, it becomes a key disciplinarian appeal for affordable amateur homes, although beforehand boomer bearing downsizes in active-adult lifestyle. THP is well-positioned to anniversary from both of these trends.
As we attending avant-garde to abound in the THP business, we are screening new investments with a agog eye for abeyant aggregate and timeline pressures, and are demography a absolute advisable access to underwriting the accepted environment. The aggregate of accord action in the amplitude charcoal stable, and while been tracking a allusive activity we abide absolute bourgeois and will alone accompany new investments that accommodated our accident adapted acknowledgment criteria.
Moving on to Tricon Affairs Rentals are multi-family development in rental vertical. We abide to accomplish advance on the development of three Canadian and two U.S. projects. On Advance 20, you can see The Selby, TLR's aboriginal action in Toronto, which is in the avant-garde stages of development with aboriginal ascendancy accepted afterwards on the year. At 57 Spadina, on-site annihilation of the absolute architectonics is abundantly complete, and shoring and blasting commenced in May.
At Scrivener Square, TLR and DiamondCorp are alive with COBE, accolade acceptable architectonics in Copenhagen to complete the architecture assignment basement the zoning approval. The accepted architecture afresh accustomed absolute acknowledgment at a architecture analysis console affair with the Burghal of Toronto staff. The McKenzie and The Maxwell are two U.S. projects are additionally advancing achievement and charter up, and targeting for disposition in 2019 with the gain accepted to be activated appear accumulated debt reduction.
Our Shiller [ph] advance efforts abide focused on architectonics out a arch Chic A multifamily portfolio in Canada and accurately in Toronto. Toronto acreage bazaar charcoal absolute advancing and rather than attempt head-to-head adjoin address developers with absolute advancing underwriting assumptions, we instead of targeted acreage accoutrements accurately appointed for rental.
A prime archetype is our afresh appear advance in Toronto's West Don Lands profiled on on Advance 21. This action offers us a altered all-embracing befalling to advance a active adept planned association in Canada's fastest growing burghal with about 1,500 rental units including 30%, which are appointed as affordable.
We are agitative to a accomplice with two arch development ally Dream and Kilmer, who cogent development acquaintance in the city east region, while we accord our development rental operations expertise.
The action gives TLR an absolute aisle of scale, as we now accept about 2,500 units beneath development in Toronto. It is additionally absolute able use of our antithesis breadth as there is no upfront acreage purchase, but rather a 99-year acreage charter for anniversary parcel. Development will be adjourned by a three-way disinterestedness charge by the ally over about three years, with the abeyant for development costs through CMHC.
On Advance 22, we basic to accord you some ambience for what our Canadian development portfolio of 2,500 assemblage agency to Tricon in acceding of valuation. We appraisal that the architectonics aggregate of this portfolio is about $1.2 billion Canadian. If we accept the beggarly of our projected development crop at 5.5%, that represents about $66 actor of NOI, of which Tricon holds a 30% interest.
This is a allusive portfolio that we apprehend will add accession antecedent to acknowledgment banknote breeze to the absolute streams we currently acquire from TH and acknowledged administration fees. Adorable forward, we are aflame about the advance affairs for TLR Canada. There is a connected breeze of opportunities to assignment with landowners, both governments and clandestine individuals, who ambition to accomplice with accomplished developers to catechumen underutilized acreage and assets that bear abiding alternating banknote flows.
Such opportunities would acquiesce us to abide to aggrandize our TLR vertical and body a arch Class-A multifamily platform. The accepted bazaar fundamentals including acutely bound vacancy, able citizenry advance and advantageous basal abridgement in Toronto are acutely acute and are alive absolute able appoint growth, authoritative us assured that we will hit or beat our underwritten returns.
And I should add that there is no curtailment of third-party investors absorbed in partnering with us to advance TLR's advance strategy. Lastly, I'd like to accord you a quick amend on Tricon Affairs Communities, our bogus apartment acreage charter business on Advance 23. Subsequent to the division TLC entered into an acceding to advertise its portfolio of 14 parks to a ample institutional investor.
We're currently alive through the accommodation acceptance action and apprehend the transaction to abutting in Q3. During the quarter, we accustomed accustomed advance fair aggregate assets in the portfolio, bringing its absolute aggregate to $146 million. We advanced sales gain in antithesis of this aggregate and we'll be in a position to allotment capacity with you already the transaction close. We intend to administer this action against abbreviation our accumulated debt in a allusive way.
Lastly on Advance 24, I would like to highlight the key appearance of our new advantage affairs apparent in this year's administration advice annular issued beforehand this week. Over the advance of 2017, we aggregate actor acknowledgment and formed with a advantage adviser to adapt our advantage affairs in a way that reflects best practices and ensures abiding alignment amid our administration aggregation and our shareholders.
We admit that Tricon has acquired from its ancestry as a pure-play asset administrator appear an chip buyer and abettor of absolute acreage assets, which adapted a change in how achievement was evaluated and rewarded. The best cogent change is the adapt of the company's anniversary allurement plan. Previously, we bent a annual basin of 15% to 20% of adapted for annual purposes in a accustomed year.
Going forward, the ambition annual basin for admiral will be bent by accumulation alone AIP targets, which accept been set application a admeasurement adapted bazaar benchmarking study. The basin would afresh be adapted up or bottomward based on achievement adjoin our business plan as accustomed by the lath this year. This access is depicted at the basal of Advance 24.
Second, we are abbreviation the assurance on deferred allotment units in favor of non-dilutive achievement allotment units as a key aspect of performance-based compensation. Anniversary PSU will mirror the aggregate of a Tricon allotment and will blow best over three years based on adapted adulterated EPS achievement about to targets set by the board. These awards will be acclimatized in banknote aloft vesting rather than in stock.
Third, we've implemented a action to cap the anniversary bake aggregate associated DSUs and banal options awarded in any accustomed year at 2% of outstanding shares. We avant-garde did not accept such a cap. And lastly, we've alien minimum allotment affairs requirements for the company's chief executives. We accept that this action best aligns our executives' absorption with those of its abiding shareholders by acknowledging a cogent absolute advance in our company.
I animate you analysis our administration advice annular for added capacity of this program. I'd like to achieve on Advance 25, which gives you a holistic appearance of how we advanced about our adapted apartment cast and how we anatomy investments.
Tricon aims to be a one-stop-shop for acknowledgment to residential absolute acreage for both accessible and clandestine investors. And we are able to do this through commutual business verticals with assorted accident appetites from adept acreage investments in acreage and home architectonics by THP, to value-add investments in multifamily rental and development by TLR, to a added awful anticipated assets streams from single-family rental homes by TH.
Looking aback at our contempo accomplishments, the aboriginal two months of 2018 accept been cardinal in creating a aisle of calibration for our TLR vertical through West Don Lands action to accompaniment our absolute administration positions in TH and THP.
In contempo months, we've additionally decidedly added the adherence and adequation of TH, the basic basic of our antithesis and AUM, by locking in about 80% of its debt at anchored ante while announcement bigger operating metrics.
We feel absolute assured in our affairs and in the animation of our business model. And we'll abide to focus on calibration and adequation by advance beyond the three bulk business verticals and assiduity our investments with third-party capital.
We're off to a abundant alpha in 2018 and attending advanced to accession aberrant year ahead. With that I will canyon the alarm aback to Jamie to booty questions and afresh be abutting by added associates of our chief administration aggregation including Jon Ellenzweig, Andy Carmody, Andrew Joyner and Kevin Baldridge.
[Operator Instructions] Your aboriginal catechism comes from Dean Wilkinson with CIBC. Your band is open.
Q - Dean Wilkinson
Thanks. Acceptable morning, guys.
Good morning, Dean.
Let's alpha with Wissam, because he's been the best fun. Aloof on the debt contour there, I aloof basic to confirm, in TAH, so you got about 22%, 23% of the debt, which is now angry to LIBOR, right?
The aftermost amounts from the Silver Bay barn accretion adeptness and the barn acclaim facility, were they aloof extra stubs that you would intend to pay out? Or are you activity to let them run out to the maturity, like are they accessible to aloof appellation out?
Yeah, the larboard - the absolute two pieces, we're actually activity to refinance them. They accommodate homes that are captivated for sale. So if you notice, we accept 90 homes that are still captivated for sale, so those are the homes we've got back.
Oh, okay, all right. So on those that would go out and afresh you would lose that 90-some-odd million. So you don't accept the one appellation accommodation at 2022 angry to LIBOR at that point.
Okay. That's simple. Gary, I advanced we accumulate accepting this conversation, but it aloof seems to accumulate accepting bigger and better. Margins in the single-family rental business, what do you advanced these things could blink out? Is there - they went 60%, 61%, 62%, appear 63%? How aerial could these go?
They can actually go higher. I mean, advanced about it this way, if we can abound our rents by 4% a year, which I beggarly we've got absolute acceptable afterimage into that for the accountable future. And we're able to accommodate our costs at almost 1% to 2% growth. We're activity to abound our allowance by 100 bps a year.
So, again, we're not able this, we are not accouterment guidance. But if you can do that for three years in a able economy, you're activity to abound the allowance from 62% to 65%. So it's got a massive access on that and valuation.
Oh, yeah, it's huge. There is a ton of torque there. I guess, it's aloof array of - breadth do you advanced these things could peak-out and…?
I actually don't know. I mean, to be aboveboard I'm afraid that we got to 62%, 63% so quickly. I mean, actually the internalization of aliment and aliment has fabricated huge difference. And I would say, we're apparently alone center through breadth we advanced we're activity to end up with R&M.
The added affair acutely is we aloof started with acquirement access software and implementing algorithms. And that's starting to pay dividends. In actuality - and by no agency does this April accomplish a best appellation trend. But our new charter advance in April was 8%, which is aloof outstanding on the aback of acquirement access software, breadth we'd be accommodating to booty hardly lower ascendancy in adjustment to get college appoint growth.
So that's aloof alpha as well. The alone anniversary - I mean, breadth we abide to see you apperceive a headwind is acutely with acreage taxes. And that's acutely absorption the very, absolute able home aggregate appreciation, which is acutely a altered benefit.
Right, yeah, I know, if you aces up the value, you lose some banknote flow, but the aggregate is activity to be added in the connected run. So it makes sense. That's all for me, I'll duke it aback to the queue. Thanks, guys.
Your abutting catechism comes from Jonathan Kelcher with TD. Your band is open.
Thanks. Acceptable morning. Aloof afterward up on your aftermost animadversion there, Gary, you said new charter advance was 8% in April?
Did you see any ascendancy bead with the acquirement administration software?
Yeah, like 10 or 20 bps.
Okay, so off to - obviously, off to a absolute able alpha for…
Very able alpha and we've alone started that on new leases. We will be ultimately rolling into renewals as well, so we're still in absolute aboriginal canicule of what this ultimately can mean. But, I mean, the acquirement access software is acutely activity to advice us. And on top of that, we're aloof continuing to see actually huge appeal for the product.
Okay, flipping to Tricon Apartment Partners, now, what - I assumption the write-down was mostly in Atlanta. Is that one action there?
Yeah, it's correct.
What afflicted from Q4, aback you took all the added write-downs in that vertical that to Q1 that acquired you to booty it this quarter?
It's aloof we're continuing to amend the business affairs in all the altered projects and clandestine advance vehicles. We - sometimes that gets done over time. And so it's aloof a assiduity of afterlight budgets. So in Q4, we adapted some of the abstracted accounts, those active-adult projects. And [Laurel Canyon] [ph] hadn't been adapted or the Atlanta project, I should say, hadn't been adapted in Q4, it was adapted this quarter.
So that - it's aloof actually a continuation. And I would say that, it's activity to continue, we're activity - I advanced we're activity to see added burden afresh abutting division and apparently the division afterwards as we abide to acclimatize our anniversary and sometimes it takes times to our beforehand underwriting, which was advancing compared to breadth we are in the market. We've acutely apparent actually aggregate pressures, which we've talked about before.
But the added advanced we're accepting a absolute affair with, Jon, is aloof timelines. We are accepting affair hitting milestones. And so, based on the way our accounting and our appraisal frameworks, if we're not able to hit timing milestones, it will advance to a abridgement in fair value.
So it's a little bit adverse in some senses, because in abounding cases, the absolute advantage of projects hasn't afflicted much. It's aloof that, we're falling abaft on time. If we were a archetypal homebuilder, we would be bold altered metrics. We'd apparently be bold absolute able sales, potentially year-over-year able margins, but because we're in an environment, breadth our evaluations are compared to an earlier, added advancing underwriting, we're activity backwards adapted now.
Okay, so there's no absolute crime in the all-embracing products, aloof added of a bulk of time.
Yeah. In fact, I'll go added to say that, I mean, we haven't apparent appeal this able for our artefact and for the industry aback 2005 and 2006. I mean, abounding of projects demands off the hook. And I would go added to say that alike with those absolute aforementioned active-adult projects that we wrote bottomward in Q4 and afresh in Q1. Our sales this year are in some cases, avant-garde or about avant-garde of breadth they were aftermost year as we've additionally fabricated some artefact adjustments. So we're off to a acceptable start. But unfortunately, it's not actuality reflected in the numbers adapted now.
Okay. And you said in your absolution that you apprehend 9% to - aback to that 9% to 11% in 2019. What array of - I don't know, 4% to 7% accomplish faculty for 2018 for that vertical?
Yeah. I advanced that's fair.
Okay. Thanks. I'll about-face it back.
Your abutting catechism comes from Geoff Kwan with RBC Basic Markets. Your band is open.
Hi, acceptable morning.
You talked about the burden of TAH with annual on the acreage tax side. I apperceive that you've talked about afore aggravating to action the appraisal and the acreage tax assessments. Can you accommodate some color, I guess, in acceding of an update? How do you ascertain what adeptness be acknowledged measures and what that could possibly do in acceding of advance to NOI margin?
Well, I'll start, and afresh I'll duke it over to, probably, Jon to abide that, Geoff. But, aboriginal of all, I'd say the accretion that we booty is based on an appraisal that we use with our third-party [Rhine Tax] [ph]. And so that's - it's about what they advanced the acreage tax is activity to be for the year, and afresh we aloof about straight-line it.
As we get into the aback bisected of the year, that's breadth we're activity to see the tax notices in the reassessments. And so we actually won't accept a bigger - we won't accept a bigger idea, I think, breadth we end up until apparently Q3. So I'm activity to duke it over to Jon, I think, to allocution added accurately about whether we advanced there's any upside there.
Sure. Thanks, Gary and acceptable morning, Geoff. As Gary mentioned, we use a third-party tax adviser to advice us appraise what we advanced approaching acreage taxes are activity to be. And then, that accumulation is additionally amenable for arduous acreage tax assessments as they appear in on a home-by-home basis. Aftermost year was the aboriginal year that we use this specific group. And we did accretion that afterwards activity through these challenges, we adored on a cardinal of homes, but I would admeasure that accumulation as in the hundreds of bags of dollars. I wouldn't attending to this as a huge breadth for upside. What I would attending at it as is a way to accommodate the acreage taxes added or beneath in band with the accruals.
And so what they are accomplishing are adorable for homes, breadth the bounded municipalities accesses it alfresco of what their expectations are and afresh they claiming that to accompany it aback in band with the expectations. So I would say, it's added of a aggregate ascendancy apparatus that necessarily an breadth for upside.
And Geoff, the alone affair I would add to that, because I apperceive you additionally - you clue carefully the Case Shiller index, which nationally has been up about 6% year-over-year. Our acreage taxes are up about 9% year-over-year, but if you actually attending at homes that are beneath the average price, which is acutely the homes that we own and are acquiring, those home prices accept actually been college than the 6%. So in abounding cases, the acreage tax increases are actually chain with the home aggregate appreciation.
Got it. Okay. You guys talked about targeting, I advanced about 400 to 500 new home sales - not home sales, home purchases a division at TAH. What would accept to change for you to up that advice or up that target? Is it a bulk of accretion sales to accession cities? Is it accepting adequate at your all pass? Annihilation accompanying to Silver Bay? Or some added array of metric?
Yeah, it's aloof actually availability of capital. We could actually be accepting - I mean, I advanced based on the aggregation we accept in place, and obviously, our TriAd proprietary software, there's no acumen why we couldn't be buying, alarm it, 800 homes per quarter. But we're actually aggravating to administer our own centralized banknote flow. To the admeasurement that added basic was available, to the admeasurement that maybe one day we could accompany in third-party basic those would be means breadth we could go faster.
Okay. If I can bastard in one aftermost question. Aback I advanced about how you can advance and optimize your NOI margin, I doubtable allotment of it is on a city-by-city abject that you get a assertive akin of calibration that you can get that economies from aliment and aliment as able-bodied as some of the added band items. Like is there a asperous cardinal that you gave us advanced about that if you get to X cardinal of homes in a accustomed bazaar cardinal that we affectionate of do optimize the aggregate abject to affectionate of aerate the NOI - acquainted there's added actuality that can bandy it afar in time of acreage tax, but aloof some thoughts there?
We don't accept - no, there's no - I mean, I don't advanced there's any affectionate of specific metric, which says that aback we get to assertive cardinal of homes in a sub-market, breadth as we array added tightly, we apperceive that tangentially that leads to a college margin. We don't accept any - I can't accord you any specific advice on that. We do apperceive that as you add homes in a accurate market, it does abatement to the basal line. And we do apperceive that as we get added and added calibration in the accurate market, we're added efficient.
We're able to appoint bigger affection bodies in those sub-markets, which acutely is a key, this is a acreage management, this is a bodies actuality business, so that acutely drives your performance. So we do apperceive that there's anniversary of scale, Geoff, but abominably I can't accord you a adamantine fact, a adamantine aphorism on that.
Okay. Acknowledge you.
Your abutting catechism comes from Himanshu Gupta with GMP Securities. Your band is open.
Thank you. Acceptable morning, guys.
Hi, acceptable morning.
Gary, aloof a aftereffect on your brace of comments apropos acreage tax and afresh operating expenses, advance of 1% to 2% for the year. How abundant acreage tax access do you accept in that 1% or 2% growth? And are the R&M extenuative cogent abundant to anniversary the advance in acreage taxes?
Well, I beggarly to activate with, I'm not giving guidance, so I aloof appetite to be bright on that. And I additionally appetite to say that this is a melancholia business. So the margins are activity to alter from quarter-to-quarter, Q3 about actuality a tougher quarter, giving - accustomed college age actuality expenses. But, yeah, I am bold - in those numbers, I am bold I'm not - breadth we are today at 9% access in acreage taxes.
So as I said before, that 9% is an accrual, it was estimated with our third-party consultant, and we aloof basically beeline band it over the quarters. And we'll acclimatize it in the aback bisected of the year already we get acreage tax bills and reassessments. But I advanced it's abundantly - we advanced it's abundantly reasonable to accept that our acreage taxes will be up about 9% for the year.
And then, aliment and maintenance, and acutely some of the accumulation and allowance is abundantly offsetting the access in acreage taxes. That's why the all-embracing costs are alone activity up by about 1%.
Got it. And on the aforementioned accountable of single-family, about-face was abundantly low at 25% this quarter. Aloof wondering, is it mostly seasonal? Or some of it is intentional? I mean, do you optimize your portfolio, so that there are added about-face in summer months? You can get a bigger appoint advance on your leases?
No, it's actually - that's actually seasonal. Q4 and Q1 are about acceptable abode for turnover. We should see that about-face alpha to analeptic actually in Q2, breadth added bodies would move out. But on the whole, I mean, we're absolute adequate with 30% for the abounding year, and so we acutely - this division we did better, but it's abundantly to do with the season.
Sure. And aloof a final question. Adorable at the single-family portfolio, which markets you're seeing the best job advance and you're best effective on? And which markets you advanced may be added challenged?
We are seeing able job advance beyond the absolute Sun Belt. I mean, it's actually - the job advance is actually astounding in abounding of our markets. Certainly, Dallas, Phoenix, Atlanta, Tampa, Charlotte, those are some of our bigger markets, very, absolute able job growth. Alike Houston starting to appear aback now as they alpha to antithesis from Harvey and oil prices beat aback up, so Houston's activity a lot better.
The markets breadth I would say, we're a little bit weaker would be Indianapolis, which has acceptable fundamentals, but it's aloof not as acceptable as the Sun Belt. Columbia would be accession market, a accessory bazaar that we got in - we confused into through a portfolio accretion has somewhat weaker fundamentals. But beyond the board, Himanshu, I mean, the job advance is actually terrific.
Awesome. And maybe I can aloof chase up on this. A fair bit of new accumulation has appear online on the multifamily ancillary in some of these Sun Belt markets. I apperceive it's a altered array of multi-family adjoin single-family. Is that article you can accumulate an eye on?
Absolutely. But we don't advanced it's accepting any appulse on our four projects. Remember, we've got two projects in our funds and afresh two on the antithesis sheet. And it hasn't actually impacted our adeptness to charter up the buildings. The two ones in our funds are now basically stabilized, and we started business them. And so, I think, we accept called a acceptable accomplice and we accept called acceptable locations that in some cases has cloistral us from the added all-embracing supply. So it's partly a action of breadth your action located.
And so, we performed absolute able-bodied on the leasing side. And the added affair I would say is that admitting what's accident in the accessible markets, a lot of REITs are acutely trading at big discounts and now the clandestine markets are acutely strong. And if anything, we're seeing cap ante authority or alike in some cases appear down.
Got it. Acknowledge you. I'll about-face it back.
Your abutting catechism comes from Stephen MacLeod with BMO. Your band is open.
Hi, acceptable morning. This is Furaz Ahmad on for Steve.
Hi. I was apprehensive if you guys can accommodate an amend on the built-to-rent initiatives you guys talked about aftermost quarter. And how that's avant-garde and if you fabricated any advance on that?
Yeah. We started accepting new homes, which are what we accede to be built-to-rent. We acquired a cardinal of those in Q1 and Q2. And they looked - I mean, we attending to be accepting yields that are hardly beneath breadth we would get an amoebic accretion program. But obviously, the anniversary we get is a cast new home and we should accept lower aliment and CapEx activity forward.
So we aloof started with it. It's not a above allotment of our accretion program. I advanced I appetite to accent that. But as we get - as we see how these new homes perform, as we get added and added adequate with it, it may become a beyond allotment of the program. And so at this point, we're actually aloof adorable at - we've been affairs one-off homes, odd lots, let's say.
But we additionally are activity to alpha adorable at what I would alarm accumbent communities and experimenting with that as well. But again, this is a - it's a baby allotment of the all-embracing accretion program. I would apprehend it not to be added than maybe 5% to 10% of absolute acquisitions in the short-term.
Okay, that's great. Acknowledge you. And aloof - I had a catechism on the action issues that you guys accept been facing. Is that broad-based everywhere breadth you guys are present or are you seeing it added in assertive pockets, assertive areas? And is that one of the affidavit that's causing some of the delays in the THP business?
I'm activity to duke that over to Andy Carmody.
Yeah, certainly, agitating question. I advanced - we advanced the action curtailment or affair is absolute broad-based in the U.S. If you attending at U.S. application today, abounding economists are calling it a array of abounding employment. If you were to ask homebuilding and architectonics administration companies, they would say they are able-bodied short. So I advanced a lot of that architectonics action has larboard the bazaar and is not returning. And we apprehend that to extend for some time.
The action is alive a college raw aggregate and delay, because of the curtailment and the movement of that action amid jobs that can't awning adequately. And I advanced we advanced that to see burden from action ascent aggregate and delays for the accountable future.
Okay. Acknowledge you. That's it for me.
Your abutting catechism comes from Tal Woolley with National Bank Financial. Your band is open.
Hi, acceptable morning.
Just basic to ask - aloof on TLR, you've acutely got a few completions advancing up over the abutting 12 months. Is booty out costs for all of those barrio in place? And is there any befalling there to deliver some proceeds? I know, it won't be massive, but is there any befalling to up accounts there?
Well, acutely the aboriginal question, it - that actually applies now to The Selby, which is activity to appear online afterwards this year. And then, the added two projects, which are advancing achievement are in the U.S., which acutely we're adorable to avenue so that'll be a abounding takeout. But I'll let Andrew allocution about The Selby.
So as Gary announced earlier, we're adorable to alpha leasing the architectonics in Q3 of this year. We will be acceptable for architectonics - alibi me, a abiding accommodation takeout, aback the action is afterpiece to stabilization. That actuality said, we are already in discussions with banks and are accepting abstract appellation sheets, and so acutely cerebration that direction. But it's too aboriginal canicule to be putting from debt in abode adapted now.
Okay. And now that you're through the aggregate of architectonics on The Selby, obviously, there's been a lot of babble about ascent architectonics costs actuality in Toronto. How you begin the achievement has been on the aggregate advanced about to your pro formas activity into the project?
We are avant-garde of [Technical Difficulty] the Selby by about one and two months. And we're beneath budget, and we accept a big accident as well. The beheading has been actually superb. It gives us a huge aggregate of aplomb for our approaching buildings. And the rent, again, it's adamantine to know, breadth the rent's activity to end up. We'll actually apperceive in the three to six months. But we underwrote $2.90 a bottom for appoint in that building.
And I'm activity to guess, the appoint adapted now is about $350. I mean, we won't apperceive for sure, can alike be college than that. I mean, we won't apperceive for abiding until we alpha leasing, it's acutely a big building. So we're activity very, absolute acceptable about the underwriting.
Okay. And then, if we can aloof allocution a bit about the West Don Lands action adjoin some of the - article like The Selby. How do you advanced about the appoint advance angle abiding for that affectionate of action accustomed the array of government captivation and your - you accept affordable apartment commitments and actuality like that in that action as well?
I think, I mean, we actually don't - we're beneath - I mean, all the articles are basically at this point accountable to appoint control. So we don't appearance that. I mean, the alone absolute aberration amid that action and the added projects is one, there's a arena lease, which in some cases a absolute advantage, because we don't accept to put up the basic upfront and accustomed how advancing - the battleground it is actuality in Toronto, that actually does advice as acreage prices accept actually confused up.
The added basic is the affordable housing, which I would actually alarm added as workforce housing. And the absolute anniversary - and we booty that into anniversary in the underwriting by the way, alive that the rents are lower. So it all affectionate of comes out in the wash.
But the absolute anniversary of accepting the affordable basic is afresh we get very, absolute adorable CMHC costs beneath the affordability program. So like - I can't get into the specifics of the economics on this project, but let's aloof say, we advanced it's attractive. And I advanced the all-embracing appoint increases will be in band with the blow of our projects.
Okay. Acknowledge you absolute much.
[Operator Instructions] Your abutting catechism comes from Mario Seric with Scotiabank. Your band is open.
Good morning and acknowledge you. Aloof maybe afraid to the Don Lands and the blueprint that you put in the presentation, I aloof appetite to affirm the TLR cavalcade at the end. That would apparently accommodate the West Don Lands as well. So affectionate of your development crop that you're targeting would accommodate the Don Lands?
Yeah, that's correct. We're including the West Don Lands. We are ciphering the absolute aggregate of all those projects to be about $1.2 billion, and we're bold a trend in development crop of 5.5% to account that NOI.
Right, okay. And afresh the TLR affairs absorption of 30% or 32% in the Don Lands. Is that so with TLR, your apprehension to accompany in institutional basic as well?
No. For the West Don Lands, we don't apprehend to accompany in institutional capital. So it's 30% beyond the absolute portfolio. And I advanced that, Mario, I advanced that's breadth we'll apparently end up. We can use our basic absolute efficiently. And we can accompany in added cardinal ally or investors breadth appropriate. But we're adequate accepting a 30% absorption in the portfolio beyond the board. And some projects adeptness be college or lower but beyond the lath we'd like to be at about 30%.
Got it, okay. Maybe switching to TAH and, Gary, aloof your annotation on April and the 8% new charter growth, which is absolute strong. Do you accept any - it may be aboriginal days, but do you accept any faculty in acceding of what appulse utilizing the acquirement access software had on the acquirement advance in April?
Well, yeah, I mean, I advanced - well, if you attending at Q1, Q1, the new charter advance was 6%, right, which is still absolute acceptable trend. And then, you see that active up to 8%. That comes from application the algorithms to accomplish smarter decisions. As to whether we should accumulate the backdrop on the bazaar a little bit best in adjustment to authority out for college rents, those are the blazon of decisions that a acceptable algorithm will advice you make.
And so, rather than accept bodies accomplish those decisions, we advanced the software is activity to be acutely accessible in adjustment to aerate revenues.
Okay. I guess, the abject of my catechism is, aback your comps in U.S. appear after-effects and additionally affectionate of allocution about an uptick in new charter advance during April? So I'm aloof aggravating to get a faculty in acceding of how abundant of that 8% adjoin 6% would be, let's say, market-driven adjoin absolute affectionate of incremental acquirement advance advancing from a altered way of accomplishing it?
Yeah, Jon - what, Jon, you accept any acumen into that question? How would you advanced about it?
I would say, it's a aggregate of both. And again, we're alone talking about - we're talking about a brace hundred abject credibility in one month. So I would say it's too aboriginal to try to bifurcate and allocate, alarm that 200 abject credibility amid the two buckets. But we see acutely able demand, as Gary mentioned.
So actually allotment of it is on the appeal side, but we do apperceive from the way we've afflicted our acquirement administration action that they're - we are seeing absolute impacts from that as well. So I would - I'm not activity to actually bifurcate those 200 abject points, but I would say it's both of those.
Right, okay. And then, I assumption with annual to, I guess, what I alarm the institutionalization of SFR, and, Gary, talked about 4% appoint growth, and 1% to 2% of aggregate growth, margins advancing up accession 200 to 300 abject credibility potentially over time, that all sounds appealing good.
So aback you allocution with LP investors and alimony funds and sovereigns and whatnot, if you had to affectionate of rank the agitator that you see in acceding of a abundant access in bound accomplice advance in SFR and afresh affectionate of bound accomplice advance in SFR with Tricon, how would you rank those three key factors activity forward?
I advanced they are important because I advanced institutions are starting to see how acute this business is. And I mean, a lot of these above absolute abundance funds and investors advance beyond the spectrum globally and in altered absolute acreage asset classes. And a lot of those asset classes the fundamentals accept plateaued, in some cases are deteriorating. Actually in the case of retail, apartments in the U.S. assume like it's flat-lined in some cases.
So, I mean, these metrics actually get their attention. And so, I beggarly we're optimistic about above institutions absent to appear in and advance in this sector, because it's aloof got - there are so abounding absolute things about it. It's an asset class. It's not activated to any added which they adulation in acceding of the way they advanced about their own portfolios. They got to adulation the appoint growth.
We don't assume to get any acclaim for the home aggregate appreciation. But I'll acquaint you something, to those investors, that HPA is acutely important and it's real. Advanced about this, I mean, if you were to get 3% home aggregate abrasion a year with 30% equity, that's a 9% levered return. And we're accepting 6% home aggregate appreciation. So - and I advanced they all - I advanced above investors, clandestine investors are audition added and more. They accept how bound the residential bazaar is in the U.S. There's no supply. There's actually no accumulation and so they understand, I think, how acute it is to own absolute homes. So I advanced all of these things are actually good.
So your target, your AUM ambition aftermost division was $10 billion aural bristles years. So is it - majority of that apparently comes from bringing in basic for SFR. So is it aloof a bulk of seeing the connected able appoint advance that you advanced will affectionate of put the about-face for these investors or is there still…?
Yes, I advanced I do. I advanced to get to $10 billion that would depend on bringing in a lot of third-party capital. Adapted now, we're apparently - let's say, we're 75% antithesis sheet, 25% third-party capital. I advanced to get to $10 billion we'd apparently accept to afterpiece to 50-50. So the majority of the advance accordingly would accept to appear from third-party capital. And in adjustment to do that, accustomed that SFR is our bigger business, we accept to accompany third-party basic into that business. So I advanced it's aloof a bulk of time afore we get there.
And do you advanced that - abundant now your ambition is affectionate of 400 to 500 homes a quarter, you mentioned with basic as a coercion you can go up to 800 a quarter. So is that - is affairs 1,000 homes a division accessory to bringing in all-embracing third-party basic into the business?
Yeah, absolutely, because - I mean, a lot of these investors - if investors are activity to appear into this, they would apparently be the bigger and best adult investors. They're the ones that are activity to pioneer. It's not activity to be the ones that about chase commingled funds. So those investors tend to be absolute large, they appetite to put a lot of basic to work. And therefore, they would be - they wouldn't aloof be adorable for able appoint advance and acceptable operating fundamentals. They'd additionally be adorable to accept how bound basic could be put to work.
Okay. So my aftermost catechism on this affair is, like in your discussions with these investors, do you get any faculty of investors cat-and-mouse for abeyant abatement in the economy, to see how airy the asset chic could be afore they started to admeasure big dollars to this space?
Not really. But I advanced for some that would actually be a factor. But in the conversations that we've had over the aftermost year or two with abounding altered institutions that hasn't actually been, I think, a key disciplinarian in their process. But I do advanced - I mean, our approach is that this business aloof like bogus apartment will accomplish very, absolute able-bodied in a downturn. I mean, obviously, we won't be able to drive rent.
But if you can affectionate of advance your NOI and your occupancy, we advanced that - we advanced ultimately, I mean, we don't anticipation a recession anytime soon, but ultimately, we'll go through a cycle. And our activity is that this business will accomplish absolute well. And I advanced if it does, it's activity to re-rate again, because at that point, I advanced everyone's activity to apprehend what a able business it is, how it's absolute acceptable in acceptable times and it's absolute abiding in bad times.
Great. I guess, affectionate of a agnate abnormality happened with the multifamily amplitude several years ago, so that makes sense.
Okay. That's it for me. Acknowledge you.
All right, acknowledge you.
There are no added questions at this time. I will about-face the alarm aback over to the presenters.
Thank you, Jamie. I would like to acknowledge all of you on the alarm for your participation. We attending advanced to speaking with you in August aback we altercate our added division after-effects for 2018.
This concludes today's appointment call. You may now disconnect.
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